y Ellie what's going
y Ellie 发生了什么事，
on you okay have you taken
你没事吧，你拿了
something sit down sit down for me sit
什么东西吗，坐下，坐下，
down in the
坐在
video she does seem like quite
视频里，她看起来确实是一个
vulnerable
individual in psychological
心理
distress I'll help you but I think this
困扰的脆弱个体，我会帮助你，但我认为这
is the tip of the iceberg of a much
只是冰山一角
bigger issue you can normally understand
更大的问题你通常可以理解
crime I think you can normally
犯罪我认为你通常可以
understand it you can understand why
理解它你可以理解为什么
people do things but this doesn't make
人们会做某事但这没有
sense what really happened to her what's
意义她身上到底发生了什么
the ultimate end game because it can't
最终的结果是什么因为这不可能
just be a young girl decided to make up
只是一个年轻女孩决定 编造
all of these stories about being groomed
所有这些关于被诱骗被
being sexually abused Ellie what's
性虐待的故事艾莉
happened and to inflict this level of
发生了什么事并对自己造成这种程度的
trauma on
创伤
herself you know why there's got to be a
你知道为什么一定有
reason we'll get you an ambulance
原因我们会给你叫救护车
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the seaside town of baru is holding its
海边小镇 巴鲁正在
breath for the trial of 21-year-old
等待 21 岁的
Ellie Williams on charges of perverting
埃利威廉姆斯因涉嫌妨碍
the course of
Justice the week leading up to the
司法公正而开庭，在开庭前一周，
triail Jordan was really really anxious
乔丹每天都非常焦虑
every day
but then Jordan's mental health
但乔丹的精神健康
was already really difficult at that
已经非常糟糕了
time he was happy one day and the next
那时他一天快乐，第二天快乐
day it was
就像
like I don't know it was just like he
我不知道一样，就像他
just
刚刚
crumbled we had waited for a trial for
崩溃了一样，我们已经等待审判很多
years I was quite positive I tried to be
年了，我很积极，我尽量保持积极的态度，
as positive as I could and try and get
并努力让
Jordan on a positive
乔丹保持积极的心态，
level I absolutely love him bits and he
我绝对爱他 他
said he wanted to marry me and have a
说他想和我结婚，和我生个
baby with me and I by this time I didn't
孩子，而那时我不想
want any more kids cuz I'd already had
再要孩子了，因为我已经有了
my too but I changed my mind during that
自己的孩子，但我在等待开始的那段时间改变了主意，
time waiting for it to
start we had our little boy
我们有了 我们的小男孩
Louie he was born in August 2021 one
Louie 他出生于 2021 年 8 月，
um and that was obviously a really happy
那显然是一个非常快乐的
time but at the same time it was just
时光，但与此同时，这只是
one of my
我的
darkness he couldn't form a normal
黑暗之一，他无法形成一个正常的
father son Bond
父子关系，
because he doesn't want people thinking
因为他没有 希望人们认为
that he's around children when he
他和孩子们在一起，但他
shouldn't
不应该这样
be it was really hard but and don't
这真的很难，但不要
change the little for like is my
改变这个小家伙，就像是我的
absolute
绝对
G he's my absolute little guy I just
G，他是我绝对的小家伙，我只是
love him
爱他，
pieces because everything what was going
因为一切都在
on it's had to become the dad but I
发生 它必须成为父亲，但我
wanted I had rapist spray painted on my
希望我的房子和窗户上喷涂强奸犯
house and my window
smashed and that was it just
被打碎了，就是这样，
my life just went downhill
我的生活又开始走下坡路了
again every day I wake up I see
每天我醒来都会看到
threats like Facebook posts and Facebook
威胁，比如 Facebook 帖子和 Facebook
live streams Facebook
直播 Facebook
groups Jordan Trang was a
群组乔丹·特朗是个
rapist he should be still in prison
强奸犯，他现在应该还在监狱里，这到底
now just like what the hell is actually
是怎么回事 实际上
going on like it was so confusing like
事情进展得非常混乱，
I think I even tried message the
我想我甚至试图
fundraiser for
给
ear after I I out this crowdfunding page
耳朵的筹款人发信息，在我发布了这个众筹页面之后，这个页面
which raised a substantial amount for
为艾莉筹集了大量资金，为
Ellie building up to the
审判做准备
trial Jordan started messaging me saying
乔丹开始给我发信息说，
you know um she put them through hell
你知道她把 他们经历了地狱般的折磨
and she made it up I was getting a lot
，她弥补了这一切，我收到了很多
of messages it was the mixed opinion um
信息，这是褒贬不一的意见
and that made me a little bit
，这让我有点
uncomfortable but at the same time I had
不舒服，但与此同时，我
to be cautious of who to trust and and
必须谨慎选择信任谁，而她的
the family were nothing but but nice to
家人也只是 但
me at that point and I knew that a lot
那时对我很好，我知道很多
of things had still been investigated I
事情仍在调查中，我
knew there was like an upand coming
知道即将进行
trial and I knew that you know the
审判，我知道
police were still looking into something
警察仍在调查一些事情，
I didn't realize it was so much earlier
我没有意识到事情有这么严重 之前
I thought the whole case was still being
我以为整个案件还在
looked into so I just left it didn't
调查中所以我就离开了，
focus on Jordan didn't know enough
没有关注乔丹 知道得不够多，
didn't probably didn't take enough
可能没有引起足够的
interest because I always go back to the
兴趣，因为我总是回想起
evidence that she provided on Facebook
她在 Facebook 短信 B 身体上提供的证据，
text messages B body it was a lot I
我
believed
相信
her this has been years of me being
她，多年来我一直被
trafficked to have sex with Asian men
贩卖去与亚洲男人发生性关系
they had broken my ribs split my ear cut
他们打断了我的肋骨，劈开了我的耳朵，割断了
my throat stabbed me burned me beaten me
我的喉咙，用刀刺伤了我，烧伤了我，打了我，把我打得
black and
遍体鳞伤，
blue people need to know about this
人们需要了解这个
local and very real
当地非常现实的
issue Ellie's post was shared like a
问题，艾莉的帖子也被分享了
100,000 times as well so it was just all
10万次，所以这件事在
around you don't ever it would be wrong
各地都引起了轰动 你永远不会
for me to think she's made that up
认为她编造了
somebody has done this to her and I
有人对她做了这件事，我
believe that Ellie will be fun
相信艾莉会很有趣
inent Ellena Williams posted pictures on
艾琳娜·威廉姆斯
Facebook when she was 19 in 2020 she and
在 2020 年 19 岁时在 Facebook 上发布了她和
her victims have been waiting since then
她的照片 从那时起，受害者一直在等待
for
justice so the trial finally began in
正义，所以审判终于在
October 2022 so well over 2 years after
2022 年 10 月开始，两年多前，
Ellie Facebook post captured the
艾莉的 Facebook 帖子引起了
attention of people all around the world
全世界人们的关注，
she had been the victim of an Ellie had
她成为了一名受害者，艾莉
been charged with fting the courts of
被指控
justice and she was going to be on trial
正义，她要去 因
accused of lying about being raped by
谎称自己曾被
various men including Muhammad ramzan
多名男子强奸而接受审判，其中包括穆罕默德·拉姆赞
and Jordan trango Williams who is 22 put
和 22 岁的乔丹·特兰戈·威廉姆斯，她
pictures on Facebook and claimed she had
在 Facebook 上发布了照片，声称自己曾
been groomed trafficked and beaten
遭到诱骗、贩卖和殴打，
having covered a lot of these grooming
scandals before the other police forces
在其他警察部门之前报道过很多此类诱骗丑闻
had turned a blind eye to the abuse and
对虐待行为视而不见，
in many cases they had also criminalized
在许多情况下，他们还将
the victims so i' very much went into it
受害者定罪，所以我非常
with an open
以开放的
mind and finally the case was opened and
心态去处理这件事，最后这个案子被开庭审理，
those that have been called as a
那些被传唤为
prosecution witness were asked to
检方证人的人被要求
attend I remember being stood outside
出席 记得当时我站在
the courtroom waiting to go and give my
法庭外面，等着去提供
evidence and just felt
证据，
like I was going to pass
感觉自己快要晕
out and I was going to have to face the
过去了，我就要面对那个
person that ruined my whole entire
毁了我一生的人，
life as I went in Ellie was just talking
当我进去的时候，艾莉正在
to her mom
和她妈妈说话
constantly laughing with each other
不断地互相
smiling are you all right are you okay
微笑你还好吗你还好吗
darling just constant if you can imagine
亲爱的只是不断地如果你能想象
how hard that would have been for Jordan
这对乔丹来说有多难
having to walk into them two
走进他们两个
laughing just it's just unbelievable
笑只是这真是难以置信
able I told the C my side of it and then
我告诉C我这边然后
Ellie's barister started firing
艾莉的律师开始
questions at
向
him she was going in on him trying to
他提问，她要 她试图用她
trip him up on everything that she
possibly could I was shaking
能用到的所有方法绊倒他，我浑身发抖，
sweating B Bar she looked at me and she
汗如雨下。B Bar 她看着我，然后说
went did you rape Ellie
你强奸了 Ellie
Williams I couldn't
Williams 吗？我说不出
speak eventually
话来，最后
I said
我说
no the only way I was able to answer it
不，我唯一能做的 回答这个问题时，
was by pushing my leg into the edge of
我把我的腿推到
the dock light so it was
码头灯的边缘，就像
like putting a shooting pan up my leg it
把一个射击盘放在我的腿上一样，
was like I was fighting a losing battle
就像我在打一场必败的战斗，
because whatever I answered she had an
因为无论我怎么回答，她都有
answer
答案，
for I remember looking up
我记得我抬头看了
once and the jewy were just staring at
一眼， 犹太人只是盯着
me I just knew there and then they
我看，我当时就知道，他们
believe Ellie
相信艾莉，
today the court heard evidence from
今天法庭听取了
Jordan trenor Accused by Ellie of rip in
乔丹·特雷诺的证据，艾莉指控他在
2019 um obviously I was following the
2019 年实施了强奸，嗯，很明显，我当时一直在关注
trial at that point I stayed on the ell
审判，我站在 ell
side because I didn't believe what these
那边，因为我没有 我不相信这些
people were saying
人说的话
online I don't think that's fair for
在线我不认为这对人们来说是公平的，
people to just
只是
assume there's white grooming gangs
假设有白人美容团伙
black grooming gangs gangs Asian
黑人美容团伙亚洲
grooming gangs you know a grooming gang
美容团伙你知道美容团伙
is a grooming gang isn't it and
就是美容团伙，不是吗，很
obviously Mo's involved in it as
明显 莫氏 我也参与其中，
well I've heard morai is giving evidence
我听说莫莱
in court tomorrow I expect he'll be
明天将在法庭上作证，我估计他会
telling more lies as
像往常一样撒更多的谎，
usual the system is rigged if we want
这个系统被操纵了，如果我们想让
the groomers out a barrow we're going to
诱骗者离开，我们就
have to get them out
必须自己把他们赶出去
ourselves I'm not going to sleep till
我不会睡觉，直到
more Ramy has been run out of this
更多的拉米被赶出这个
town getting to the trial was a relief
城镇，能够参加审判是一种解脱，
I had been on trial by social media I've
我一直被社交媒体审判，
had to have eyes on back of my head for
多年来我一直被监视着，
years I can't actually tell you how it
我不能 实际上告诉你
feels when you're walking down the
当你走在
street and everyone you're thinking is
街上，每个人都
looking at you thinking that you're a
看着你，认为你是
pedophile a groom a
恋童癖者、新郎、
rapist there's like hundreds of messages
强奸犯，那种感觉，这里有几百条信息，
here you dirty stupid [\h__\h] nuns I'd
你这个肮脏、愚蠢的修女，我会
bounce your head clean off the floor
拒绝 把你的头从地板上拿开，
wait till we find you and your nony
等着我们找到你和你的非
Packy mates take his smelly wife and
Packy 伙伴，带着他臭烘烘的妻子
[\h__\h] off home dirty
滚回家，肮脏的
pedo and they
恋童癖，他们
just go on and
就这样继续
on and it wasn't just from these online
下去，这不仅仅是来自这些在线
sites unfortunately there
网站，不幸的是，还有
are quite a few people the were me on
相当多 一些人和我一样，
making life a live in
把生活变成了
hell you smashing your car windows in
地狱，你砸碎了你的车窗 在
smashing your van windows in driving
砸碎你的货车窗户时，开车
past your hard screaming
经过时你大声尖叫，
py
you you guys just get inside of course
你们俩赶紧进去，当然
we can not a problem I felt scared I
我们不能有问题，我感到害怕，我
think you know who knows what's going to
想你知道谁知道会
happen some crazy person on the street
发生什么，街上的一些疯子
you know attacks me or sets fire to to
你知道会攻击我或者设置
the house they wanted us to leave but no
他们想让我们离开房子，但
none of you know the
你们都不知道
truth I spoke to Mo actually the day
真相，我和莫谈过，实际上在
before he's been in court he'd sent me a
他出庭的前一天，他给我发了
message and said like I've seen a lot of
一条信息，说我见过很多
the good things you've done
你做过的好事
and you've got this one wrong like
，你却做错了，就像
you're you're going to ruin your
你会毁掉你的
reputation and this girl is a liar and
名声，这个女孩是个骗子，
what are you going to do when it comes
当事情曝光后你会怎么做，
out are you going to apologize I look
你会道歉吗？
forward to your reply please contemplate
期待您的回复请考虑
on what you are actually raising money
一下您实际上在为何筹集资金
for warm regards Muhammad I was a little
致以热烈的问候穆罕默德
bit nervous when he messaged me cuz I
当他给我发消息时我有点紧张因为我
thought oh God obviously I'd heard all
想哦天哪显然我听说过
these things about him people were
人们在网上谈论的关于他的所有这些事情关于
saying online about
mosex and he's a violent man and he's
mosex和 他是一个暴力的人，他很
dangerous and there's not someone that
危险，你不会想要他
you want to
cross and then 's family started telling
穿过，然后家人开始告诉
me a little bit
more maybe I was making a judgment but I
更多，也许我正在做出判断，但我
was thinking Mo was definitely one of
想莫肯定是
the guys that had
raped her I
强奸她的人之一，我
guess when I arrived the Preston con
想当我到达普雷斯顿电话
call I felt good because this has
会议时，我感觉很好，因为这已经
lingered for years
徘徊了好几年
[Applause]
[掌声]
now I'm here to verify her
现在我来这里是为了证实她的
lies initially it was brilliant and I
谎言，一开始这很精彩，我
told the C I'm an innocent
告诉 C 我是一个无辜的
man but as the trial went on oh my God
人，但随着审判的进行，哦，天哪，
the defense barister she was trying to
辩护律师她试图
just find anything to discredit me why
找到任何东西来 抹黑我，为什么
in the police interview did you answer
在警方的采访中，
no comments when asked if there's
当被问及
anything other than your ice cream
除了冰淇淋生意之外，还有什么可以
business supplementing your income cuz
补充你的收入时，你没有回答任何评论，因为
that has got nothing to do with grooming
这与修饰、
trafficking selling Ellie
贩卖、销售艾莉威廉
Williams have you ever sold
姆斯无关，你是否曾经贩卖过毒品，
drugs taking drugs and selling drugs are
吸毒和贩卖毒品
two different
两件不同的
things can you explain your previous
事情，你能解释一下你以前
conviction for pouring petrol over your
因为向你的前伴侣身上泼汽油
former partner and threatening to burn
并威胁要烧死
her I'm No
她而被判的罪吗？我不是
Angel I'm not proud of that moment of my
天使，我并不为我生命中的那一刻感到自豪，是
life and yes I did that and I regret
的，我做到了，我
what I did straight away held my hands
马上就后悔了 我举起双手，
up I went to prison I served my time
我进了监狱，服刑
it's done and I'm sorry for what I
完毕，我为自己所做的事感到抱歉
did to be honest
说实话，
that really shocked me you know there's
这真的让我很震惊，你知道
no such thing as like a a perfect victim
没有完美的受害者这种东西，
right to do that you have to be a really
你必须是一个真正
nasty piece of work I just didn't know
卑鄙的人，我真不知道该
what to make of
怎么做，
it can't stand the thought of women
无法忍受女人的想法
being beaten treated badly any sort of
被殴打受到虐待任何形式的
violence all I can say is that if he
暴力我只能说如果他
continued to behave like that I won't be
继续这样表现我不会
sat here if he treated me like that if I
坐在这里如果他这样对待我如果我
ever saw an inkline of that I wouldn't
看到那样的迹象我
be sat
不会坐在这里
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here I mean I believe people can
我的意思是，我相信人是可以
change but you know it was like the
改变的，但你知道，就像
defense annihilated him they thought if
辩方消灭了他一样，他们认为如果
we can make you a bad
我们能让你成为一个坏人，
character then it might put a little bit
那么它可能会让陪审团产生一点
of doubt in the jury's
怀疑。
mind I I was like I can't believe this
我以为我可以 '不相信这
is
是
happening she's going to get
真的，她会得到
off Court heard today from men who were
arrested on the strength of Elena
因埃琳娜·威廉姆斯的指控而被捕的男子的
Williams allegation she had accused them
证词，她指控他们
of rape in some cases she had accused
在某些情况下强奸她指控
those men of being part of an Asian
那些男子参与了亚洲性
grooming gang who she said had been
骚扰 她说，该团伙一直在对
sexually abusing her and others across
她和北方的其他人进行性虐待
the north of England for years these
多年来，这些
were men who either said they didn't
男人要么说他们不
know Williams or I'm a psychologist and
认识威廉姆斯，要么我是一名心理学家和
psychotherapist I've worked with sexual
心理治疗师，我曾与性
assault victims rape victims who are
侵犯受害者、强奸受害者合作，他们
trying to put their lives back together
试图重新振作起来，
I've also worked with some of the
我也曾与一些
perpetrators of these crimes as well
这些罪行的肇事者
Elena Williams has been on trial here
埃琳娜·威廉姆斯已经在这里受审
for a month now she's accused when I
一个月了，她被指控当我
first came across the story my first
第一次看到这个故事时，我的第一
instinct when I looked at it I just
反应是，当我看到它时，我只是
thought it just doesn't seem right
觉得它似乎不对劲，
there's just something about that whole
只是有些事情 整个
case that does not make any
案件没有任何
sense it does seem you know like she's a
意义，你知道她似乎是一个
fantasist it does seem like I can see
幻想家，我确实似乎可以看到
where that word has come from to explain
这个词从何而来，以解释
it but with all fantasy I think there
它，但对于所有的幻想，我认为
there are some facts now Ela Williams
现在有一些事实，埃拉·威廉姆斯
denies per voting the course of justice
否认了 投票支持正义的进程，
and the case continues here so I was
案件将继续进行，所以我
looking forward to hearing for account
期待听到
of what happened
发生的事情，
Justice when Ellie was going to give
正义的解释，当艾莉要
evidence in
在法庭上提供证据时，
court a lot of justice for Ellie
很多为艾莉伸张正义的
supporters had turned up clearly a lot
支持者都出现了，显然很多
of people believed that she was the true
人都相信她 是真正的
victim here they had ched mini buses to
受害者，他们让小巴
come down from Barrow come on if anyone
从巴罗下来，如果有人
looked into it you know why all they
调查 你知道为什么他们都
were shouting the journalists and the
在向记者和
police and suggesting that you know we
警察大喊大叫，暗示我们
were part of this cons iracy against
是针对艾莉的阴谋的一部分
Ellie and actually sometimes you sort of
，实际上有时你
have to remind yourself that she's the
必须提醒自己，她是
one on trial she's the one being accused
受审的人，她是被指控
of a crime and she's the one being
的人 犯罪，她被
accused of
指控
lying can you tell me you're full men my
撒谎，你能告诉我你是真正的男人吗，我的
name is
名字是
Williams like there was one um incident
威廉姆斯，就像
that we heard about in the trial where
我们在审判中听到的一个事件，
Ellie phoned 999 from the flat where she
埃莉从她住的公寓里拨打了999，
was living and kind of made a
然后
call please
紧急求助，你叫
emercy what's your name ell what's been
什么名字，发生了什么事，
happening that you want him
你想让他
out he just smacks
出去，他只是打了
me do you need an
我，你需要
ambulance you come back in just yes or
救护车吗，你回来吗，是或
no Ellie if you're not able to speak can
否，艾莉，如果你不能说话，
you just press three number five twice
你能按两次三五吗
okay Ellie we're coming to you with an
好的，艾莉，我们有
emergency okay just try to stay as safe
紧急情况要找你，好的，尽量保持安全，这是
as you
can was a very confusing part of the
case like I find it hard to believe that
案件中非常令人困惑的部分，我很难相信
that was just her concocting evidence to
那只是她捏造的证据来
support her lies right and when police
支持她的谎言，对吧，什么时候 警察
came round to the flat she was found in
来到她所在的公寓，发现她
a terrible State covered in bruises
糟糕的状态，浑身是伤，
what's going on it was really hard to
发生了什么事，
watch you okay have you taken something
看着你真的很难，好吗，你吃了什么吗，
sit down sit down for me sit
坐下，为我坐下，
down
坐下[音乐]，
Ellie what's happened what have you
艾莉，发生了什么事，你
had in court today jurors were shown
今天在法庭上，陪审员看到了
body warn camera footage Ellie claimed
身体警告摄像机 艾莉
at the time that she'd be taken home by
当时声称她被人贩子带回家，
traffickers who had then raped and
然后强奸并
beaten
殴打了
her however
她，然而
CCTV footage showed her walking home
闭路电视录像显示她独自走回家
alone
and I'll help you when I saw that
我会帮助你当我看到
footage of her I instantly just thought
她的那段录像时，我立刻想到
the behaviors that she's exhibiting
她所表现出的行为
would suggest that she certainly doesn't
表明，
feel safe as an
作为一个成年人，她肯定感觉不安全，
adult but why did she feel the need to
但她为什么觉得有必要
do that what happened there what's
这么做？那里发生了什么？
happened to this girl that made her feel
这个女孩身上发生了什么？让她觉得
that she had to go to such extreme
她必须付出如此极端的
length to be seen and to be heard the
努力才能 被看到和听到
jury then heard that Ellie hit herself
陪审团随后听说，艾莉
with a hammer that she'd been seen
用锤子打自己，这是她
purchasing herself on
在闭路电视上看到自己购买的，
CCTV with an expert witness confirming
专家证人证实
her injuries to be consistent with
她的伤势与
self-inflicted hammer blows self harm is
自己造成的锤击相符，自残通常是
normally
where someone struggles to cope with
在有人挣扎的时候 去应对
their own emotions and then they
自己的情绪，然后他们
internalize it so then they take it out
内化它，然后他们把它发泄
on themselves so they're hurting
在自己身上，所以他们伤害
themselves as a way as a form of
自己，作为一种惩罚的形式
punishment to cope with their
来应对他们的
emotions but in this
情绪，但在这种
case rather than it being used as a way
情况下，它不是被用来作为一种
to regulate her emotions it's being used
调节情绪的方式，而是被
to gain attention so it you know it's
用来获得 注意，你知道这很不
unusual today at the Elena Williams
寻常，今天在埃琳娜·威廉姆斯的
trial police showed how she'd created
审判中，警方展示了她如何创建
multiple social media accounts to send
多个社交媒体账户，
herself threatening messages in the
以
names of moami Jordan Treno and many the
莫阿米·乔丹·特雷诺和许多男性的名义向自己发送威胁信息，
men so as you can imagine I I was seeing
这样你就可以 想象一下，我看到了
all this I was hearing all this it was
这一切，听到了这一切，
like me apparently admitting to raping
就像我承认强奸了
her and if saying if if she told anyone
她，如果她告诉任何人，
I was going to rape her again and make
我会再次强奸她，并
sure I killed her I just felt
确保我杀了她，我只是觉得很
disgusting the jury heard how the
恶心，陪审团听到了 有
messages were sent from Ellie's home
消息是从艾莉家里发来的，
address proving that they did not come
证明这些消息不是
from the men she had
来自她指控的那些男人，
accused to me was that's how sick it was
and it was just like oh my God that
这真是太恶心了，我当时就像是被上帝感动了一样，
really just made me
go I was
我很
angry that was an eye opener listening
生气，听到这些消息真是大开眼界
to the length she'd gone to because we
她已经竭尽全力了，因为我们
didn't know half of
不知道一半
it what she'd written it's
她写的东西太
disgusting I was just like why is she
恶心了，我当时就想，她为什么
doing
要这样做？
this six different phones were found at
在艾莉的住址发现了六部不同的手机，
Ellie's address with dozens of social
上面有几十个社交
media accounts which had been set up in
媒体账户，这些账户都是以
the names of the men she accused reading
她指控阅读这些信息的男子的名义开设的，这
the messages was really interesting and
真的很有趣
really
真正令人
shocking the uh language that she uses
震惊的是她使用的语言
there's a lot that talks uh about sex um
有很多关于性的，
obviously it's all about grooming as
显然也都是关于修饰的，
well it's quite possible that there's
很有可能
been a sexual trauma in her history that
她的历史中曾有过性创伤，而这些
hasn't been resolved for her you can see
创伤还没有得到解决，你可以看到
the themes actually running through the
主题 实际上浏览了这些
messages but But ultimately at the end
信息，但最终在
of the trial I had more questions than
审判结束时，我的问题比
answers don't think I
答案还多，我想我没
slept this is
睡着，这是
Dad you're going to Verdi day and you
爸爸你要去威尔第的日子，你在
thinking that jewelry what's it going to
想珠宝会
say the there was 13 Jers in this
说什么 这次审判中有 13 名犹太人，
trial they were all white there wasn't
他们都是白人，没有
an Asian there wasn't a brown there
亚洲人，没有棕色人种，
wasn't a Jamaican there wasn't a
没有牙买加人，没有
Muslim I'm not going to get a fair heing
穆斯林，我不会得到公平的审判，
here is there somebody that's going to
这里有人
sit in that jury and say no because of
坐在那里 陪审团说不，因为
col of my skin because I'm a
我的肤色，因为我是
Muhammad right is it is this what it's
穆罕默德，对吧，这就是事情会怎样，
going to
be I was just scared what if it's like
我只是害怕如果这一切
all a waste of time what if this is a
都是浪费时间，如果这是
waste of time and she gets out when we
浪费时间，她会 当我们
got into the courtroom I was watching
进入法庭时，我一直在观察
the jury to see what their facial
陪审团，看他们的面部
expressions were cuz I knew if it didn't
表情，因为我知道如果
go in Jordan's favor people are still
乔丹的判决不利于人们，人们仍然
going to think he's a
会认为他是
rapist on the first charge of perverting
强奸犯，因为他被指控妨碍
the course of Justice how do you find
司法公正 你如何看待
the
defendant
被告
guilty ecstatic every emotion I think
有罪欣喜若狂的每一种情绪我认为
ecstatic upset we shouldn't be cheering
欣喜若狂不安我们不应该为此欢呼
it we shouldn't have even been there it
我们甚至不应该在那里它
shouldn't have even come into our life
甚至不应该进入我们的生活
but making the most of it you know we've
但要充分利用它你知道 我们
got the result we wanted you can breathe
得到了想要的结果，你可以松
a sigh of relief Jordan slapped me on
一口气了，乔丹拍了拍我的
the knee and went yes it was like a big
膝盖说，是的，这就像是一种巨大
sense of Joy I'll just remember that 5
的喜悦，我只记得那五
minutes where I was just looking at the
分钟，我只是看着
jewry just smiling and I just remember
犹太人，只是微笑 我只记得我
holding his hand and just squeezing it
握着他的手， 挤压它，
and was just
relieving it was a completely different
松了一口气，这是一种完全不同的
kind of feeling to the feelings that we
感觉，与我们
just had for the past God knows how
过去的感觉不同，上帝知道
long I feel no sense of
我多久没有感受到胜利的感觉，
Triumph only
只有
sadness for the loss of the years the
对逝去岁月
impact on my family here we are and the
对我的家庭的影响的悲伤，我们在这里 而
true impact that that this will love on
真正的影响是，这对
true victims that's the loss of you
真正的受害者来说是失去你的，
there he is Andy got M oh yeah
他是安迪，有M，哦，是的，
got Jackie long do you right to come
有杰基，你
over after this yeah after the verdict
过来对吗，在判决之后，
of talk the journalist because to me it
谈论记者，因为对我来说，这
was for the world to see public eye
是 让全世界看到
she's guilty you told about the personal
她有罪，你告诉过她对你个人的
effect that had on you and the attempt
影响，以及
on your life can you tell us a bit more
对你生命的企图，你能告诉我们更多
about
关于
a woman from Barrow INF furnace has been
一名来自巴罗INF熔炉的妇女的信息吗？她因虚假指控
found guilty of perverting the course of
被判犯有妨碍
Justice after falsely claiming on
司法公正罪 在 Facebook 上声称
Facebook that she' been groomed I was
她被诱骗了，
actually on my honeymoon was in
其实我正在布拉格度蜜月
Prague and it was the last day it was
，那是最后一天，那是
the last day and
最后一天，
um somebody sent me a couple of messages
嗯，有人给我发了几条信息，
you do realize you've helped a liar you
你知道你帮助了一个你
raised money for a
为之筹集资金的骗子吗 一个
liar I was like no no she's not she's
骗子我当时就像不不 她没有，她
not done that she's not made that up no
没有这样做，她没有编造那样的事情，没有
one would do
人会这样做，
that sorry which just taking me back
对不起，这让我回
to the the the last day of the honeymoon
想起蜜月的最后一天，
I was I was so distracted and uh it sort
我当时心烦意乱，呃，这
of killed the last part of it I'm sort
毁了最后的部分，我 我
of like just like re going over it and
有点像是在回顾这件事，
it just like we we know somebody that um
就像我们认识一个人，
well I know somebody personally that
嗯，我认识一个人，他
genuinely gone through that and been
真的经历过这件事，被
raped and it just kind of brought that
强奸了，这件事也让我想起了这件事，
back as well
and she like there's all these girls
她就像所有这些女孩一样
that have generally been through this
那些经历过
ORD deal I just kind of wish I'd help
ORD 交易的人，我只是希望我能帮助
one of them other than it
他们中的一个人，而不是让
being somebody that made it
别人编造这
up all you can do is just like put it
一切，你能做的就是
right in hour minut it get the money
在最短的时间内把它做好，这样就能把
back for Ellie Williams's mother it's a
Ellie Williams 的钱拿回来 妈妈，这是一个
devastating verdict the court has
毁灭性的判决，法院
decided she is a liar about really
判定她在真正
serious things yeah that's correct and
重要的事情上撒了谎，是的，这是正确的，
in the eyes of the law I've got to
在法律的眼里，我必须
follow that verdict and and and accept
遵守这一判决，接受
that she's a happy little thing and um
她是一个快乐的小东西，嗯，
so I miss that I miss that energy in the
所以我很想念 我怀念他们在家里的那种活力
house they being here but
在这里，但是
um she's uh she'll be back again at some
嗯，她呃她会在某个
point so we just got to look forward to
时候回来的，所以我们只需要期待
that
那个
time so I messaged Ellie's mom
时间，所以我给艾莉的妈妈发了信息，
I said alisen I hope you're
我说alisen，我希望你
okay after the guilty verdict cuz I
在有罪判决后一切都好，因为我
thought it's not her fault you know
认为情况并非如此 她的错，你知道
Ellie's her own person isn't she she
艾莉是她自己的人，不是吗？她
said not in a good place we'll talk in a
说情况不太好，我们过几天再谈，
couple of days so we
所以我们就这样
did and then I sent I need to get some
做了，然后我发了邮件，我需要拿回一些
money back either refunded or given to a
钱，要么退款，要么捐给某个
cause of choice for the real
机构 选择真正的
victims it was
受害者这很
awkward she was like you're trying to
尴尬她就像你试图
force me to do something I want to do
强迫我做我想做的事情
and I was like I'm not forced you to do
而我就像我没有强迫你做
anything we agreed that if this if it
任何事情我们同意如果这如果
comes out that 's guilty you pass the
出来了 有罪，你把
money back to me and we'll donate it to
钱还给我，我们会把它捐给
two charties to support victims of
两个慈善机构，以支持虐待的受害者，
abuse
um she was ignoring my messag after
嗯，她忽略了我的信息，之后
that I couldn't see a way out I thought
我看不到出路，我以为
it was never going to get any money back
我永远也拿不回任何钱了，
so I rung my bank reported
所以 我打电话给银行报告了
it and the next morning I woke up when
此事，第二天早上我醒来时
there was £
7,158 in my bank so I was like
我的银行账户里有 7,158 英镑，所以我
frantically ringing the bank I said
疯狂地给银行打电话，我说
that's amazing but how comes it's only
这太神奇了，但怎么只有
7,158 when it was supposed to be
7,158 英镑，而应该是
21,24 and she said that was all that was
21,24 英镑，她说这就是
remaining of the money that you passed
你存入的钱剩下的全部
in to her account
到她的账户
Allison is saying that she's donated the
艾莉森说她把
rest to Salvation
剩下的钱捐给了
Army which baffles me we should actually
救世军，这让我很困惑，我们应该
have done something and support the real
做点什么来支持真正的
victims I find it hard to live with
受害者，我觉得有时候很难和艾莉一起生活，她真的
sometimes Ellie someone that has
literally destroyed people's lives but
毁了别人的生活，但
the fact is something's not right you
事实是 有些事情是不对的，你
can't be capable of making all that up
不能编造这一切
and injuring yourself like that unless
，伤害自己，除非
something has happened to s we've been
发生了什么事，我们经历过一些事情，
through something to be damaged like
受到这样的伤害
[Laughter]
[笑声]
I
mean that
意思是那个
word
词
paky it was
paky 一直
constant these are mostly Pakistani men
都是，他们大多是巴基斯坦人
and some are business
，有些是企业
owners I mean that that sentence
主，我的意思是那句话，
Pakistanian business
巴基斯坦企业
owners Barrow has maybe two of them
主巴罗可能有两个，
and anyone who was remotely Pakistani I
任何稍微有点巴基斯坦血统的人，我的
mean bangladeshis were targeted Indians
意思是孟加拉人都是目标，印度人
were targeted anyone whose skin was a
都是目标 任何
different color was targeted I mean
肤色不同的人都会成为目标，我的意思是，
walking around in barrowing aesco
在 aesco 里走来走去，
grabbing some shopping it everywhere it
到处买东西，
was like everyone was looking at you and
好像每个人都在看着你，
you just couldn't say anything or do
你什么也说不出来，什么也做不出来，
anything
because what can you say what can you do
因为你能说什么，你能做什么
you're against the whole town had you
反对整个城镇，你
ever experienced Against Racism
before
以前经历过反对种族主义吗？
no I actually I didn't even think it
不，事实上，我甚至不认为它
existed I thought that was like
存在，我以为那是
an an urban myth something that happened
一个城市神话，
years ago something like the bloody war
几年前发生的事情，就像血腥的战争，
so that was history and I was naive
所以那是历史，我 天真地
enough to actually believe that over the
相信，在她被判有罪后，上
weekend two Indian restaurants were
周末两家印度餐馆
subject to what police believe were
遭到了警方认为是
racially aggravated
种族歧视的加重
offenses after she was found guilty I
罪行。我
thought hopefully it'll be over soon
以为这一切都会很快结束，
because for a number of years I had all
因为多年来，我一直受到
these random strangers giving me abuse
这些陌生人的骚扰
every single day so obviously I just
每天都遭受虐待，所以我显然
felt kind of helpless I could I couldn't
感到很无助，我无法
do anything to stop it
阻止这种事情
happening I lost so many
发生，我失去了很多
things I've got business happy life
东西，我有生意，幸福的生活，
happy
幸福的
family and then I lost my business
家庭，然后我失去了
business because people are hating me
生意，因为人们讨厌我 我
looking me like different eyes I said oh
用不同的眼神看着我，我说哦，
what's going on in this
这个镇上发生了什么事，
town we are all
我们都很
scared and maybe I don't want to stay
害怕，也许我不知道 我不想
anymore so that's why I left
再呆下去了，所以我离开了
bar I was born and raised in bar and
酒吧，我出生在酒吧，在酒吧长大，
then to see this destroy it basically
然后看到这件事毁了它，基本上
ripping my own town to shreds at really
把我自己的城镇撕成碎片，
really boiled me piss if you
如果你愿意的话，我真的非常生气，
like so I started looking into it and I
所以我开始调查这件事， 我
was just scrolling through Facebook the
刚刚在 Facebook 上浏览了一下，
worst abuse was being targeted at this
最严重的辱骂就是针对这个
guy well
家伙的，
Ramy six nearly 700 uh comments all
Ramy six 几乎有 700 条评论，都是
death
死亡
threats just sickening I just sat there
威胁，真令人作呕，我只是难以置信地坐在那里，
in disbelief I was just gr become numb
我变得麻木了
to it and that's why I thought oh my God
，这就是为什么我想哦 天啊，
what the hell is this guy and his family
这个家伙和他的家人到底
going through man and I jumped in his
经历了什么，我跳到他的
Corner because like I said it's the
角落，因为就像我说的，这是
right thing to
正确的做法，
do they're not willing to accept the
他们不愿意接受
[\h__\h]
他妈的
truth not justifying any violence
事实，不为任何针对妇女的暴力行为辩护
against women or anybody for that matter
，或者 任何人，
but it's wild some of the stuff that was
但有些
said about
him telling lies you know they want to
他撒谎的事情很疯狂，你知道他们想
destroy that
毁掉那
man let's be clear here scratching the
个人，让我们在这里澄清一下，
surface they were exploiting the Ellie
他们利用了
Williams case you know to F fuel their
埃莉威廉姆斯的案子，你知道，他们煽动
hate nothing to do with Ellie Williams
仇恨，无事可做 和艾莉·威廉姆斯
you know so there's lots of different
你知道，
factors even after the case that's
即使在案件发生后，也有很多不同的因素，
occurring here you know no
你知道，不，
uh I not I'm not defending her by the
呃，我不是在为她辩护，
way but we still don't know why Ellie
但我们仍然不知道为什么埃利·
Williams did this in the first
威廉姆斯一开始就这么做了
place a 22-year-old woman is to be
22 岁女子
sentenced for perverting the course of
因妨碍司法公正将被判刑，请
Justice stay with us as we'll shortly be
继续关注我们，我们很快就会
joining a live feed of the
加入判决的直播，
sentencing did you follow the trial the
你关注了审判吗？
only time I saw it was when the
我唯一一次看到它是在
sentencing came out and then Ellen
判决出来的时候， 那么艾伦·
Williams please stand up and obviously
威廉姆斯请站起来，显然她
listened to the judge's deliberations
听取了法官的审议
and we just want her to go over look her
，我们只希望她过去看看她
in her eyes and say what the hell have
的眼睛，说
you done why have you done it
你到底做了什么，你为什么这么做，
why I've received much psychiatric
为什么我在这个案件中收到了这么多精神病
evidence in this case all of which I've
证据 我已经读完了所有这些，
read I heard evidence yesterday from Dr
昨天我听到了
bacon called on behalf of the
代表被告的培根博士的证词，
defendant Dr bacon maintains that the
培根博士坚持认为
defendant has a complex post-traumatic
被告患有复杂的创伤后
stress disorder Dr lock who has provided
应激障碍，洛克博士
a report for the crown does not accept
向检方提供了一份报告，他不承认
that this is a condition conclusion
这是
which can be
可以
drawn a part of me wants to believe you
得出的条件结论我的一部分想要 相信你
know maybe she has mental health issues
知道也许她有精神健康问题，
but the fact of the matter is that the
但事实是，
judge in this case said that there was
本案的法官说
no evidence to it I agree with the
没有证据证明这一点，我同意
conclusion of Dr lock that there is no
洛克博士的结论，即没有
evidence upon which I could conclude but
证据可以让我得出结论，但
then if it's not mental health issues I
随后 如果这不是精神健康问题，我的
mean honestly it it it's just you
意思是说实话，你
destroyed people's life
毁了别人的生活，
for what because this offense strikes at
因为这个罪行触及了
the heart of the administration of
司法的核心，
justice it is to be regarded as serious
这应该被视为严重罪行，
it was a very tense atmosphere in court
法庭的气氛非常紧张，
you will serve nobody really knew how
你不会为任何人服务 真的知道
many years she was going to get in
她要坐多少年
prison a total sentence of 8 and a half
牢，总共8年半的
years
imprisonment she looked lonely and young
刑期，她看上去很孤独，很年轻
and
，
pale and resigned to her fate she wasn't
脸色苍白，认命了，她没有
sobbing she even said a quiet thank you
哭泣，事后甚至轻声说了一句谢谢，
afterwards I think maybe she thought
我想也许 她认为
that she was going to get a longer
自己会被判更长的
sentence so maybe 8 and 1 half years was
刑期，所以也许 8 年半的刑期
in some ways a slight relief to
在某种程度上对她来说是一种轻微的解脱。
her outside the court the question would
在法庭之外，问题是，
that be enough for the men Ellie
这对 Ellie
Williams accused of rape and
Williams 指控强奸和
exploitation if you were able to say
剥削的男性来说是否足够，如果你能够
anything to Ellie Williams today what
今天要对 Ellie Williams 说点什么
would you say why I want to know why you
你会说什么我想知道你为什么
have done this to was because she's not
这样做是因为 她
only done it to me and more she's done
不仅对我做了这样的事情，而且
it to our families and there innocent
对我们的家人也做了这样的事情，
children and kids in involved in in our
families along with that and she's
她
destroyed their lives along with
毁了
ours there is no explanation for why the
我们和家人无辜的孩子的生活，无法解释为什么
defendant would commit these offenses
被告会犯下这些罪行
she has gone to extraordinary lengths to
她不遗余力地
create false
制造虚假
accusations the judge just said that she
指控，法官只是说她
did all of this for no
这样做毫无
reason I find that very difficult to
理由，
accept when you read through the
当你阅读
psychiatric assessments that are
conducted for the purposes of the C
为 C 进行的精神评估时，我发现这很难接受，
it's not as cut and dry it's not as
它并不那么简单 事实并非如此
black and white as that Dr Lo
黑白分明，
commissioned by the prosecution found
控方委托的罗医生发现
Williams to have an immature personality
威廉姆斯性格不成熟，
and a considerable amount of
而且相当
anger Dr Lucy bacon commissioned by the
愤怒，辩方委托的露西·培根医生
defense diagnosed complex post-traumatic
诊断出威廉姆斯患有复杂的创伤后
stress disorder that may have Arisen
应激障碍，可能
from childhood
源于童年
trauma think it's quite interesting that
创伤 我觉得很有意思的是，其中
one of the psychiatric assessments found
一项精神科评估发现
that she was suffering with complex
，她患有复杂的
post-traumatic stress disorder
创伤后应激障碍，
that may have been the result of a
这可能是
traumatic childhood
童年创伤
environment Dr bacon had several
环境的结果。培根博士与艾莉进行了几次
sessions with Ellie and said that while
会谈，并表示，虽然
she avoided details Miss Williams had
她回避了威廉姆斯小姐的细节，但
hinted at abusive and unpleasant
暗示 童年时期遭受虐待和不愉快的
experiences during childhood it was
经历，
revealed in court that social services
法庭透露，社会服务机构
had been involved in Ellie's life up to
一直参与到艾莉八岁之前的生活，
the age of eight years and so looking
所以
through all of the court documents and
通过查看所有的法庭文件和
witness
证人
statements and from the police footage
陈述，以及我看过的警方录像，
that I've seen
it is possible come to conclusions about
someone like Ellie from a professional
从专业角度来看，我们有可能对像艾莉这样的人得出结论，
perspective what we know with trauma is
我们知道
that if it's not dealt with at the time
，如果当时不处理创伤，
is that it presents again in unhealthy
它会以不健康的方式再次出现，
ways and so my opinion should I say
所以我的意见应该
based on the information that I've seen
基于我所掌握的信息 我看到的
is that whatever trauma that she has
是，她
experienced in her childhood wasn't
童年时经历过的任何创伤都没有得到
actually dealt with and this has then
真正的处理，这导致了
resulted in it turning into this
situation that it is now know what
现在的情况，知道
you've taken as all H alcohol
你把所有H酒精都当成了酒精，
yeah we we
是的，我们
okay almost as if this is her way of
好吧，几乎 就好像这是她
working her trauma out things she wish
处理创伤的方式，她希望
she'd said wish she' done actions she
自己说过的话，希望自己做过的事，她
wish she'd
希望自己
taken sex who had sex her needs are
做过的举动，她的需求
being met through this Behavior you can
通过这种行为得到满足，你可以
see it in the video footage and get
在视频片段中看到它 被
arrested no I haven't arrested you ever
逮捕，不，我没有被逮捕，你有没有
think her drive to be
想过她渴望被
heard and validated and consoled and for
倾听、被认可、被安慰，而
this trauma to be healed for her by
这种创伤 由
appropriate
合适的
adults outweighs any thought and
成年人为她治愈的痛苦比她对那些指控的人的任何想法和考虑都重要，
consideration for the people that she
made the allegations about so she was
所以她
trying to heal herself no might not
试图治愈自己，不，可能不
believe me I believe you I my I believe
相信我，我相信你，我相信
you I
你，是
do yeah I guess on some level I do feel
的，我想在某种程度上我相信你 我
a bit sorry for Ellie whatever happened
为艾莉感到有些遗憾，无论
in in her life that led her to make up
她生命中发生了什么，导致她编造了
these horrendous lies and ruin so many
这些可怕的谎言，毁了这么多人的
lives and I think I feel frustrated with
生命，我觉得我也对她感到沮丧，
her as well because her lies don't just
因为她的谎言不仅
impact her it also has much wider
影响了她自己，还影响了更广泛的群体
consequences for other women when they
当其他女性
go to the police and make these
去警察局提出这些
allegations or maybe they now won't go
指控时，她们会面临什么样的后果，或者她们现在不会
to the police because maybe they'll
去警察局，因为她们可能会
think well what if I end up being
想，如果我最终被
arrested what if I end up being the one
逮捕了怎么办，如果我最终成为受审的人怎么办
on trial and you know I I was recently
， 你知道我最近在报道
covering another grooming trial
另一起
involving men from Rochdale and I was
涉及罗奇代尔男子的性侵案，我
looking at the jury and I was thinking
看着陪审团，我在想
how many of them will be aware of the
他们中有多少人知道
Ellena Williams case and might be
埃琳娜·威廉姆斯的案子，也许会
thinking well there was that one girl in
想巴罗有个女孩
Barrow made it all up so I think she's
成功了。 所以我认为她
really damaged I think she's really sort
真的受到了伤害，我认为她真的
of polluted the environment for other
有点被污染了 其他
women who want to be
想要成为
[音乐] 的女性所处的环境
believed the only way I can ever feel
相信我唯一能感觉
normal is when I come fishing
正常的方式就是当我来钓鱼时
I just expected it to go back to normal
我只是希望它能恢复正常
but it doesn't just go back to
但它并没有恢复
normal I've had threats of people I've
正常我' 我受到过别人的威胁，我
had threats towards the kids people
受到过对孩子的威胁，有人
shout at me in the
在街上对我大喊大叫，
streets some guy he said you're a rapist
有人说你是强奸犯，
we don't want you in the
我们不想让你待在这个
area no matter how many times I tell
地区，不管我多少次告诉
someone I'm innocent they're obviously
别人我是无辜的 他们显然
thinking I've done it so what's the
认为我已经这样做了，所以
point
he goes fishing for his mental health
他去钓鱼有什么意义呢？为了心理健康，
but even still he's just sat there with
但他仍然独自坐在那里，戴着
his hood up on his own constantly
兜帽，不断地
looking over his
回头张望，
shoulder I've referred myself with the
我已经向
Community Mental Health Team because I
社区心理健康中心求助了 团队，因为我
can't feel like this anymore because
再也无法有这种感觉了，因为
it's just destroying too many things
它摧毁了太多东西，
it's destroying my relationship my
它摧毁了我的关系，我的
family our future as a
家庭，我们作为
couple I don't know where it's going to
夫妻的未来，我不知道它会
go because Jordan is just so broken from
走向何方，因为乔丹因为
all of
this so the fact that even now there's
这一切而心碎，所以 事实上，直到现在
still a large group of people who
仍然有很多人
believe that the true victim here is
相信真正的受害者是
Ellena Williams there's almost nothing
埃琳娜·威廉姆斯 你几乎无话可说，
you can say to these
people trust in our institutions is
人们对我们机构的信任度
perhaps at an all-time low so people no
可能处于历史最低点，所以人们
longer trust the police they don't trust
不再相信警察，他们不相信
the media to report the truth
媒体报道真相，
they think that there's corruption at
他们认为
every level of society and that would
社会各个层面都存在腐败。 这
include courts and
包括法院和
judges so it's just this huge skepticism
法官，所以社区里存在着巨大的怀疑，
in the
community I mean one of the many
我的意思是，
dismaying things about this case and
这个案件令人沮丧的地方之一就是，
watching it all unfold was how it was
看着它的发展，它被
exploited by the far right for their own
极右翼势力利用来达到他们自己的
ends I'm not going to stray away from
目的。 不会偏离
the fact that it's purely
事实，这纯粹是
racial Decades of propaganda media
种族歧视几十年来，宣传媒体
fueling this [\h__\h] that all Asians
助长了所有亚洲人
are groomers that's where people like me
都是性骚扰者的胡说八道，这就是像我这样的人
have to come out and expose
必须站出来揭露
them whilst defending Mo Ramy
他们，同时在网上为莫·拉米辩护，
online I found that some of the people
我发现有些人
who are accusing them of being all these
指控他们所有这些
things you were drug de you're this and
事情，你是毒品，你是这个和
that they are active members of the
那个，他们是国家行动的积极成员，
National Action a terrorist organization
一个恐怖组织，
basically Nazis
基本上是纳粹，
also the Patriotic
也是爱国
alternative who are notoriously
替代组织，他们是臭名昭著的
racist and they've been heavily involved
种族主义者，他们一直积极参与
in the move towards the far right in
走向 远的 就在
Baron furnace and further a
巴伦熔炉和更远的
field so I made contact with
田野里，所以我联系了
Mo I still get hundred and hundreds of
莫，我仍然收到成百上千的
hate
仇恨
messages you dirty stupid [\h__\h] nuns
信息，你这个肮脏愚蠢的修女，
I'd bounce your head clean off the
我会把你的头从地板上弹下来，
floor wait till we find you and your
等到我们找到你， 你
nony Packy mates I think it's time to
nony Packy伙伴我认为是时候去
hunt some packies mate don't
猎杀一些packies伙伴不要
you he's not the person he
你他不是他以前那个
was depression anxiety you know people
抑郁焦虑你知道人们
don't believe that of him because his
不相信他因为他的
bravado is out there but being closed
虚张声势就在那里但是
doors it's broken
关上门它就坏了
him you know it's got to a point where
他，你知道，事情已经到了这样的地步，他把
it smashed this bottle over his head and
瓶子砸在他的头上，
there was blood everywhere he smashed
到处都是血，他砸碎了
the bottle and he basically went up to
瓶子，
his throat it was like that split
他的喉咙基本上裂开了，
because his head just couldn't take it
因为他的头无法承受，
he couldn't take anymore I mean do do
他不能 我的意思是，他们
not know the extent of what that damage
不知道造成的损失有多大，
done no I don't think they do and I
不，我认为他们不知道，
don't think they care
也不关心，
either ultimately there's not been any
最终
winners in this story and it just still
这个故事没有赢家，而且仍然
doesn't feel it
没有 感受
over Jo Murphy give me a bit of a
一下乔墨菲给我一点
Lifeline but we had on talk on social
生命线，但是我们在社交媒体上聊过，
media I wanted to go out and visit him
我想出去拜访他
oh my
哦
God I can't believe come here you what
天哪我不敢相信来这里你在
are you doing come on don't be shy here
做什么来吧不要害羞你在这里
you are all
一切都好
right right come on let's go oh I've got
来吧 走吧，我已经
all nice and clean for you
为你准备好了一切，是
yeah wow who would have thought I know I
的，哇，谁会想到我知道，我
never thought it'd come to this when it
从来没有想过事情会发展到这个地步，当
all kicked off I really never oh never
一切开始时，我真的从来没有
thought it was such a long
想过这是一条如此漫长的
road we're not at the end of it yet
路，我们 还没有结束，
either no we're not unfortunately it
不幸的是，这
wasn't a good situation and I don't want
不是一个好的情况，我不希望
anyone to go through it
任何人经历它，
but I've emerged we've all emerged me
但我已经出来了，我们都出来了，我
and my family we've made stronger more
和我的家人已经 更强大，更
dedicated and you know better from it I
专注，你会更了解它，我
apologize on behalf of all barians that
代表所有巴里亚人向你道歉，
they [\h__\h] put you through that was a
他们让你经历了那是一种
disgrace man absolute disgrace I just
耻辱，绝对的耻辱，我
can't thank you enough me no no come I
无法向你表达足够的感谢，不，不来，我
can't come come
不能来，来
here do
这里做
this you're welcome buddy I did I did
不用谢，伙计，我当时做了
what was right at the time you
正确的事情，你
know and just start at
知道，只是开始
help world needs more yours
帮助世界 需要更多你的
all
所有